did anyone confirm that they would be here
no not confirm
well I will make a start and ask you about the last paragraph
what do you want to do?
it seems to me an old idea that the body is the limit perhaps but like
anything else it is continually reconstituted
acceptance of the self without God, of the text allowing the words to stay
on the surface, and of the body
letting itself be surface, which is the new Limit
those lines seem to be the problem for me
i mean the This touching of the absence is theis the first part of that
which seems poetic
isn't there things behind the surface surely where talking aBOUT metaphors
and allegories which hint at the limit of interpretation
i am sure we are talking metaphor but are we using the far to generally
text does not come in so fast when there are two
no
i was just checking
the relationship between "no the relationship between subject and
object can no longer be absolute nor positivistically determined
but that is not necessarily true either
so we agree with that but what does it say about practice
we dont believe in absolutes
i still can't get around interpretation as opposed to negotiation
well interpretation is seems like a one to one where negotiation seems more
to do with community
the implications for practice are that may be good and bad don't exist (but
they do) skill and unskilled exist (but they do)
interpretation can't incorporate these contradictions but negotiation can
that is my point if we are to accept on absolutes while the world does them
where does that put practice
i agree i am for negotiation
well if that is what you meant
explain further your point
couldn't read it well it is what we accept to be not relevant to some
extent to what is. we cant make what we want if what we want does not fit
in. I meant fit in to an agenda that has real direction or purpose but
which is not driven by use
the instituional agenda
yes maybe we all have different agendas which are stifled by the
institution without us being completely conscious of it . No in that there
is larger agenda in relation to practice v's institution which is the
notion of value and meaning
and
the notion of value and meaning are great in themselve but can you exist
when there are none
they are there you just need to negotiate all the competing influences and
energies and construct for yourself
ok so we have constructed meaning for ourselves but no one else speaks this
language of meaning what then
that's the beauty of it all the imperfection of communication at various
different levels beyond and within our control
so is the limit our body or the limit being no control
body or the internal body is the metaphor for no control or rather in
Bataille's ideas the internal body is formless without control
i was thinking about pain
that's interesting transgression 'forces the limit to face the fact of its
imminent disappearance to find in what it excludes maybe we are in pain but
don't know it
not sure if I want the pain though
yeah
if the idea is that the body is the metaphor then where does that put pain
in denial
so we have denial coming up again as another vehicle
maybe we could say pain is transgression
well we could say any form of movement is pain
maybe we need to interrogate the self (ourselves and each other (like the
project you suggested pau;l
gotta admit this sounds surreal to come in at this stage
how many do you think would be in that
we have been really talking about the last para
yeah but the srrindipitouse arrival gave a whole new interpretation
marks point is that if we put a work on at Pica we will have to confront
some of these denials
what denials?
i have a feeling we are in the truman show
you might have missed that part
denial I mean will enlighten us as to our inability or inability to face the
problems that plague us
well if the group were to agree to put on a work what ever nature that work
was then I am sure all these things would happen
you think there is a dome over perth and we are being
watched by the rest of the world?
lose the being watched by the world part
well that would be my next point who would watch
well that would be my next point who would watch
and lose the self realisation part too
or could we be as bad as oprah
the dome is a giant mirror
dave you still have a problem with self
like the one we talked about eons ago as a wall&quot;<BR>
we should have done that mirror then&quot;<BR>
the biggest single mirror in the southern hemi
i might have a problem with self but it doesn't interest me
too introspective and romantic right now
would it depend on the problem
i suppose if you are out there looking for problems
seems a bit indulgent to
like picking a scab
what do you think of the group making a work??is it
possible or would it be like picking scabs&quot;<BR>
only if we become too absorbed by 'hey the group is making a work!;we don't
know where the sore is or even if whereit is we need to scratch
let s just make something, the connections will be serendipitous
with a scab the sore is already there is has a cover over it to heal
yeah but if it is a self inflicted wound
what about denial
ok what do we make and should it be a premise
if self inflicted wounds ids somebody's bag then hey go for it
the viruses and mutations show in melbourne is a bit like this
in what way dave?
there is not a connecting theme in advance
well I feel we need some kind of beginning which can start the process of
developing a premise, denial could be one
it might be more interesting if connections are made that are not predetermined
we need to start somewhere so a premise would give us a shared platform
if you are into denial then go for it
it could be a reaction against other idea
we need more possibilitie
why
reaction against others ideas is another possibility
being reactionary merely reinforces your opposition
I am interestedihey we are only trying to find a way in or someone
interested in denial
to deny is a binary thing
only in the singular
what about the hermeneutic circle!
proctology
what the fuck is that
another medical metaphor
denial also refers top the gradual differing of meaning &quot;<BR>
sounds more final than that
is the typing becoming metaphorical
are the two last papers on the site the same
maybe I got it the wrong
yes last week we decided the read the last pages that we did not have the
week before
well it might be time what do you think dave
interesting with the genesis quote, I started my paper at RMIT with a
reference to Lots wife and an analysis by george lander
explain more
sorry Manuel de lander AND we are turned to stone, mineralized,
molecularized, codified, segmented, walled,skinned, organized, sexed,
planted, and uprooted. As I read A Thousand Years of Non-Linear History by
Manuel deLanda
She was crystallized - a flash between human and non-human - perhaps in a
burst of light. And as punishment for witnessing the end of this non-human
she was stoned&quot; and after Lot had flown from her side the burnt sandy
plane remained to glisten salt-white as a memory-offering of her passing
and
then the blackened beaded rain began sluggishly unstaining the grains of
sand and carried her salt-body back to the murmuring sea
Your blood as you know has the saline content of sea water- William
Buroughs- in the Adding Machine
what is the connection?
the connection is the use of a biblical text
is denial related to this or is the biblical text about fiction
geneisis george steiner is on the radio right now
no I am just making a point that in two recent texts from Leonardo and Ctheory